jon, I couldn't SEE that post in the poser forum through all the stuff I'm talking about in this here thread. It's kinda why I posted this thread, cause I'm missing stuff by skipping over so many threads, what I call SPAM. Before anybody says I need new glasses or learn to read, I waded through 100+ posts with responces on multiple pages. Not mad, not angry, not even really up on a soapbox, just an observation that I have made that from the views here in this thead are no shared. tis all good.