I have found many a good freebie from scanning this forum and I greatly appreciate each and every one. Maybe it's just because of my upbringing, but it just seems rude to lump the good people who provide us with freebies in with those who IMHO equate to snake oil salesmen. Also...... I do wonder if Poser has nothing to do with rendering, then why all the clammering for a better render engine each time a new release comes out? Don't we learn about the software in order to produce better images/animations? If not, then what's the point?