telling people to lighten up and not take it too >> seriously isn't the best way to deal with hurt >> feelings. saying "sorry, i didn't mean to hurt >> you" works a lot better, IMO. I'm disappointed that the two guys who set this "joke" up haven't got the class to do that. My opinion of both of them will need some repair. The more they defend themselves, the less I believe them. An apology to Acadia and Jim, for starters, would be a sign of a bit of maturity. >> I thought Saturnalia was where they killed the 'king' >> at the end of the festivities. Actually, sensible folks killed the king whenever an opportunity arose. Not as often as they did witches, but then, that was an availability thing. Not too many kings to choose from. It's a tradition much missed. Ritual flaying at the end of your second term might make running for President a bit less attractive to slimeballs and crooks. Only the truly Elect would apply, eager to meet their Heavenly reward. M