Doesn't help here Lou. Thanks for the help, but I'm not beating my head against the wall on this one. I was just curious if anyone else has expereienced the issue or know why it occours. I think part of the problem lies in developers of some plugs don't bundle all effects into one .8bf file, but seperate them so the list grows longer. I can trim some fat though. When CS came out, I liked having PS7 loaded with the plugins and custom effects I use, and also having a clean CS for quick fixes and enhanced use. C'mon CS3!!!