SO, I'm not complaining really but... I get avatars I get increased performance? I get smileys I get compressed threads I lose ease of navigation to stuff like "my gallery" I lose color and layout control I lose thread navigation I lose useability I temporarily lose some link function I lose consistancy across the site hmmmm...I'd trade EVERYTHING in the get column for colors. I'll freely admit I didn't read the pre-change threads where the advantages of this change were probably mentioned and I am sure this will all get worked out and be just fine in the end but at the moment...I gotta call it a lose lose. If this were a new relase of a software product "upgrade" to a loyal customer base the provider would get butchered. Maybe I am too close to the issue being in software and working directly with customers to represent their needs, but they would absolutely KILL me for something like this...and they actually LIKE me. So far from this end it looks like..."Let's put in PHP then scramble to get them back the functionality we took away." I feel very much like I've been given some shiny new toys to mask the fact that some of the regular tools I use have been taken away or tucked into well hidden corners. All that being said I give you FULL marks, AS, for being communicative and honest about what is going on and for representing our needs/wants/desires to the powers that be. To that end I apologize for the grousing. I would not want to shoot the messenger. I'm sure it will get more user friendly as we go...as well as easier on the eyes. There, I feel better now.