was just about to suggest the top of forum, link as this takes you to the top of the poser forum only. I'm picking my way thru this change slowly as well. as for "PHP rulez" yes php is awesome when it's done right as a php developer i spent a great deal of time running a second site called "testing.mydomainname.com" and having multiple people test new code before i pushed it out so that it was as bug free as possible. here's the diffrence. I am a web developer. The staff here are for the most part NOT. They implimented new software by the hosting company utilizing PHP, because the old forums had issues and they thought that this new software would resolve them to better please thier customer base. I doubt most of the mods or for that matter even most of the admins KNOW php. Thier job function here isn't to write code. It's to impliment it, and moderate user participation, in order to maintain a web site and promote user growth to increase sales in thier marketplace. Renderosity is a business. How many managers and executives know everything there is to know about production and development. They make choices based on the information provided to them so that they can make the best descisions they can for thier customers. Since loss of users affects advirtising of their marketplace products I'm sure the forums will recieve the attention they need quickly. So just bear with them.