Thanks for the advice. Upon further investigation it seemes posette has 1 full body morph (superhero) which no one uses. Other than that the only useful morphs are the breast morphs and in rare situations, a handfull of the face morphs. So it would seem for the most part that this isn't a major deal for now. Also poser 4 doesn't support pythin scripting. Yes i need to upgrade and i'm looking into it i'm just not sure to what and when and if i should hold off for poser7 or not. I do appreciate all the help and input that has been provided. you have given me a lot to look into and at least a good starting point for when i decide to upgrade.