/Programmers are generally contracted in, and have to respond to the "needs" of the client./ Back when I had a real life I saw data base "programmers" turn in faulty product on purpose since the companies they worked for had actually somehow managed to get the client to agree to pay beyond the initial contract for fixes that /might/ come up. Make more money on the fixes and work-arounds then on the original gig :) I don't want to stir up a fuss, but I think it is nice that a store would underwrite such a big forum... not all stores do. The site has not been a community for maybe six years. It is the forum members who are the community. Some of the members of the community seem much more intolerant of the have-nots and spend-nots then are the forum host. You can buy at the store without using the forum and you can use the forum without buying at the store... a lot of people do one but not the other. I myself have not noticed the overhead of the forum reflected in the pricing at the store. If the forum is "advertising" but it is run in good faith and with a minimum of interference I don't see the basis for complaint. On the other hand I cut the labels off my jeans and won't wear anything with a logo :)