the postwork debate resurfaces here quite often. my belief is that we shouldn't worry about it. as some artists are so good at postwork that it's nearly impossible to spot it, there's no way to enforce a "no postwork" gallery without creating alot of bad feelings. in fact, there's probably no way to even debate the postwork issue without creating some bad feelings, however misdirected. larry's original intent was to use poser as an aid to humans drawing human figures on a piece of paper, a canvas or bristolboard. however, in part due to marketplace pressures, poser has since morphed into a substitute for that, in which the machine takes over all the mundane details that would normally take a human artist (unassisted by automatic drawing methods) many years to master. hence the frequent jokes here about how the next version of poser will have a "make art" button, so that the user can go and watch spongebob or listen to fitty cent, while poser does all the work. :lol: