Oh I know, Martin... I can kind of "sense" when you're here. ;) Oh, BTW, since the Vue Forum at the PFO doesn't allow for automatic replies, I want to let you know, I'm still trying to understand what you mean when you refer to your "radiosity object". Although I do agree that whatever it is specifically, it does create better, or rather, more realistic shadows. I'd like to see you continue to develop that one, for sure! :)