Erlik,The subdivision modeling site was talking about modo positively - I'll check it out if I can ever get past their infernal logon process - might be the browser upgrades last week but if not it doesn't say much for the program if they mess up a simple thing like  the logon process - hopefully the guys doing their website aren't the same ones that do the program code.   I'll try not to let the webbies discourage me from the program. Thanks!  

Hexagon: too many negs on our 3d modeling forum - I'll skip that one at least until the next go-round .

danamo,Carrara:  I've been lurking on our forum there and have C2.1. not too happy with it; thinking that the upgrades might be better . . ..  I know they don't paint displacement maps. That is the thing right now. Shonner is one of the good guys - I'll chech that out, thanks!

AS; dld the ZB demo but haven't installed it yet! Looking forward to it!