Traveler demystified magnets nicely (tutorial on his page) and nowe I use 'em all the time. They're fiddly but once you get the 1-2-3 adjustment thing down you're cool. The grouping tools still give me fits - but sometimes there's no other way to isolate effects. When I was working on elfquest elves I needed bigger ears - so I grouped all the polys for the ears and then applied the magnet just to them. I got stuck on the scary eyeball tricks though. and then got distracted with other stuff. I will get back to Cutter at some point. :)