thanks randy i thought something weird was going on or it had been deleted for causing offence thanks infinity for your feedback, an ugly baby just doesn't work does it? i didn't realise there was more than 1 millenium baby! thanks dph have downloaded the texture will try out later, i do have problems with poser running slowly. If i had the money i'd buy both and see which was best (for me). i have found some morphs for p4 baby. i wanna get the preschool kids next, so maybe i should get them next and experiment more with the morphs i've got maybe have a go at making some morphs myself. was kinda hoping someone had tried the cubed the animation looks so cute thanks again everyone for your help x