I understand what your'e saying about it couldn't be your computer if every other site on the internet is working. I'm not arguing that issue. However, I would say that the LONGEST, the LONGEST I've ever waited for the "Waiting for market.renderosity.com..." message to turn into movement, is 10-12 seconds, except for two times when we were doing maintenance on a table and then it slowed everything to a crawl. And I'd say 90% of the time, I never even see the "Waiting for market.renderosity.com..." message. It just flies. Nicholas

-Nicholas