No no no Steve I'm NOT giving up my bandwidth to you!  lol  Just bought Maya yet I still want to grab this...would be a fool not to at the price. Helgard you mention you have been here three years? Take a look at how long plenastic has been here...consider the source...and ignore him. I can understand why you're upset and having been bitten a few times myself by software that is cheaper after it's been sold I have a lot of empathy for you and don't blame you for venting about it.