Does Eve have completey redone joint-parameters though? I personally never liked Possette's posing - it always seemed 'off', and this seems to be a matter of JPs and such things as where the parts split - such as how in in the vicky line the breasts are a part of the collar. If you look at my gallery here (shameless plug...), you will note my first post (man does it suck... the only reason I leave it there is to show that I've improved...) was made with vicky. But I've been a member here since 1999. For me, as bad as I feel my first post is, I simply couldn't accept any of the renders I got before I managed to transition off of possette... I used one or two on places outside the art gallery, but that was it. Sometimes I suspect groups like DAZ disfavored female anatomy to discourage porn, and under a mistaken belief that 'you can't see it anyway unless you focus on it'. But then I have to wonder why the male figures got genitals, at least as far as the first count is concerned. As for the second, no matter how 'hairy' you make your figure, you cannot hide that something is missing because it does indeed have a shape to it... It would be like doing the front bumper / grill of a car model using a bump map... It is not just needed "for porn". It is needed for any type of render where the counter parts on a male figure would be needed. Yeah, I know the topic has been beaten to death and the strange policies of places like DAZ are unlikely to change... but it needs to be overdiscussed until at least some of the more 'modern needs made' figures begin to address it. By modern needs I am trying to say figures with the posability of the Millinium crowd, or better - such as a female counter to the ill fated Apollo... Modern figures, made to be highly posable and usable for just about any need, have no excuse having such a major absense in them. So, my answer to the original poser is that as long as your figures stay clothed, you can get realism pretty well using the advice so far, but, unless Eve has a completely different posing dyanmic than possette had, for nudes you simply have no viable options...

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