ok guys..I'm almost there...2 more questions (please) 1) where the heck is the solid growth!? I looked at the tutorial of it in action...but i can't see where teh mouse clicks to make it work!!? :-P 2) are thre any water presets? I can't seem to find any? BTW...cool little program! Alot easier than LW to learn whew one more thing...thanks for being so helpful! Pete

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