I still think that it looks ugly and that Burton (hollywood hair) does better work, If he made more I'd buy those.<<< Shadowcat, agreed. I have yet seen a render of the Daz Updo hair that I could show a client without blushing. >>>I think msot people don't realize that straight hair thats not tied-up, curled, or otherwise styled is extremely easy to make.<<< Understood, MallenLane. However, Anton's latest release truly puts the Daz Updo to shame. There is simply no comparison. And I would not call what Anton has done with his latest release to be easy. Daz does a lot of things very, very well. Hair, IMHO, does not appear to be one of them. The geometries seem good. The transmaps... need help.