now the question is, would that be acceptable? I mean, I would do this so the base item, say !mainroom would appear at the top of the folder's list. (the folder being named normally, I don't need to compensate for anything :sneaky: ) so the user can see it right off.. but I know users like to reorganise things into other folders... so.. is it worth the potential complaints... hmm.... I suppose thats upto them not me..