drafter69, i don't think you misled "us" -- i certainly don't feel misled in the least. i appreciate people who speak for themselves. I suggest that Erotica has very personal definitions. ding. but in the very next sentences, you screw up this promising start: Your picture show a woman in a slightly erotic pose. Your other picture show a woman in a very erotic pose. you need to be more precise in your choice of words, and i suspect your thoughts might need a little alignment too. saying "it is erotic" implies not a personal, but a generic eroticism. while that may exist (though i sure wouldn't want to define it), we're pretty obviously outside of it here. and if erotica is so personal, claiming a specific woman is depicted in an erotic pose is stepping outside the personal realm -- you might find it erotic, but other people (including the artist) might not. and pounding on them saying "no matter what you call it, it is erotic" is disrespectful -- it's personal, get it? she could have chosen other clothes? whatever for? she doesn't find this getup erotic! she doesn't have to find it erotic. 9 out of 10 sex therapists might not find it erotic. you do, and that's good enough for you to enjoy it -- nothing wrong with the enjoyment. just don't push your personal interpretation on the artist (or anyone else). that is the sort of crap that leads to "she asked for it, just look at how she dressed". bad idea. say "i find that pose erotic" instead of generalizing from your personal interpretation. you're both generalizing, you and acadia, and it's not surprising you're at loggerheads. you see a come-hither attitude in an image where she sees somebody fixing a shoe. that's what "it's personal" means -- you simply have very different interpretations of the same scene. neither of you is right. neither of you is wrong. i think that's probably the salient point to "it's personal"; there is no right or wrong in erotic appreciation. furthermore, let it go. acadia seems convinced that you want icky porn while her art is "soft and sensual". best to walk away from discussions with people who don't recognize their own judgmentalism.