thanks tek and yep i know it needs more work. at the moment its very low res so i should be able to jiggle it a bit more before adding more loops. bugger about the rigging in poser cos the tut i have for 3d max is brilliant.  it's a lynda.com cd. still i'll give it a go cos i would like it to be a poser figure. if it turns out any good i'd like to make it a freebie. in return for the help i've had from poser.

thanks for the heads up xantor. it looks like thats what i'll have to do. i thought i put a back view in but it seems i didn't so heres a back view

billy