You are absolutly right Phantast! Damn! I thought I had it figured out :)

I can't agree with the exact formulation you have for profundity... I think you can come back again and again to something very simple because its simplicity efects you deeply... so is that profondity in the affect the thing creats in a certain context rather than an inherent deepness of content or form? Also how do you account for bad art, it is niether profound nor does it touch me profoundly but it is not "fake" art it is only "bad" art.

I don't want to give up on this but I am at an impass.

Thank you Phantast, pleonastic, Bobasaur.

I once belived that art had a transendance to it that set it apart from other things... but I lost my faith :(