Thanx for the suggestions and sorry for the delayed response!

Shonner - The 3 point is ok, "no ashes" and faster... not quite the look I want or maybe I am doing it wrong... need more instruction and examples on how to do fake GI with this rig.

Mark - I will experiment with photon count.... first impression is it adds time to the sample lighting calculation witch maybe counter productive for every frame... still working on it.

ren - On the irradiance map...I dont understand what you mean if it is "made with nothing to render"... do you mean that  make one in a blank scene and load it in my current scene or just make one in my current scene then save and load it?

Thanx,

TT