Thankz for the help and the comments. As for the question,yes it was rendered in poser, hair and eyes partially done in postwork. I'd like to see what I could do with Victoria and Mike, but I have no cash to throw at them... You know? nik faulkner: Yes you are picking, but I absolutely love it when people do... Because it helps me out with my problem quite a bit,(this time being relism) Thanks alot!