during the OS X (cheetah) beta in 2000, I gotta admit, nobody was that defensive either, but I see it's already started. I have no doubt vista will be more secure and far better than xp pro in every way, just like OS X was far better than OS 9, once they had 2 years to get the bugs out and make it work for everybody, not just admin geeks, unix geeks, command line geeks, et al.