When I move my mouse to the top, until I only have the normal arrow cursor, I am now on the menu bar, so I get the drop downs ( file, ect..). If my arrow is in the pose window, it moves the figure or camera. sigh A re-install may be what I need to do. As for the t-shirt creation, very cool. thank you. That is the part I was missing from the tutorial I found. You have been very kind and most generous in your help. If you are anything like the majority of the Poser community, then I have to say I joined the right forums. SO the t-shirt template ( the all black t-shirt image) is all I need, huh? That makes life great. I'll post and let you know how it works out. If it looks good, am I allowed to post it for free, for others to download, or do I have to be a member or something, to do that? Your new student wink wink, Eryk