just to make a clear point here....when I read this post I really was not concerned about the legalities or definition of freebies in peoples personal interpretation, what I was annoyed with was the comment about the creator of the freebie set being selfish.  Now you can argue all you like that if there are restrictions on something then it is not free...but everyone around the poser community knows that freebie to them means they dont have to part with their cash to get their hands on it and that is all they are interested in usually, and most poser users will honor the fact that some freebie creators dont want their stuff used in commerical renders or to make commercial items for selling.  Maybe if starkdog was to explain himself what he had intended the use of the stuff for it might make things a little clearer here and avoid a lot of needless discussion.  It is funny that he has not come back with any comments on this situation.  But then maybe this is just another one of those lets get people bitching at each other posts just to get people annoyed.  I for one dont really want to spend days discussing the in's and outs of freebie use...I know where I stand on it and that is good enough for me. I respect the freebie creators and if there are limitations on their stuff I can always choose to delete it of my computer if I dont want to abide by their rules.  But I guess maybe I am just one in a million with that type of mentality..anyway my last word is dont bite the hand that gives out the gifts or eventually the gifts will stop coming ....