Ok this is getting really frustrating, VF is really simple to get the hang of, if you can't get to grips with modelling like me then this gives you a whole new approach. You really can make a simple little black dress in about ten minutes. THEN you try and run your sim in Poser and everything gets weird. Either the sim hangs or takes so long thet I cancel. Then you finally hit one that takes about fifteen to twenty minutes so you stick with it and at the end you find these long poly threads like Mizrael's pic of the pants. So is this a bug? Or does someone know something that I might be doing wrong. So for I guess it's more failures than success and that's a shame because I'm loving having a way to make the clothing that I want. I would also like to hear from other users.