True enough - the modeling was easy - it turned out just the way I wanted it, it was only when I tried to make it work right in Poser that there were any problems [heh] mind you, since my purpose is Poser and specifically creating things for animation in Poser, this is an important flaw [grin]

I find the joint editor the toughest part though - I've read everything I can on it and in all but one case the stuff in books and tutorials all end up saying something like "Well, we can't explain how to use the joint editor, you really have to just do it and you'll get the hang of it with practice."  Dr Geep is the only one who has done a tutorial I have read that actually explains anything about using the joint editor.  The books and the other tutorials all seem to want to make a mystery out of it whereas I'm wanting to understand it [sigh]

But give me time - right now I think the next pair of pants I do will work much better because of what I've learned this time - but retrofiting solutions is a lot more work than avoiding the problems in the first case.  However, soon I hope to have this last problem solved and then I can relax for 5 minutes before starting on my next challenge [grin]