Hi Folks! nomad, I don't agree with your general point. We have to take as visible a stance against warez traders as we can. Otherwise we will lose the support of Zygote, DAZ, Curious Labs, and other companies that produce the software that forms the inspirational basis for these Forums. As far as the community thing--that's open to interpretation. In many important ways we still are one. Newbies can still come here to get advice, tutorials, and directions to great web sites. We still offer best wishes and prayers to folks facing medical crises. FreeStuff is still very active. And lots of the legendary folks who were here in the beginning, such as Traveler, MartinC, Jim Burton, PhilC, Steve and Rena, Ken (Chemical Studios), and yes, Anton--to name just a few--are still active contributors. But they've been burned by warez traders and greedy downloaders. It's important that they know we support them--legally and fairly. I've been a member since the original Poser Forum began and I continue to be active with all of its spinoffs: Renderosity, Renderotica, 3D Commune, and the "new" PFO. They all go thru very public disputes. That's human nature, and to be expected when you're dealing with a group of people who have great talent, vision, and egos, but limited resources. I think the public airing out can be good sometimes. If someone posts a message or joke that is hurtful to certain ethnic groups, overweight people, Non-English speakers, or Mac users (and all of these have been done here in the past year), an open discussion, however painful, can teach us all to be more sensitive. The term "community" gets thrown around so much these days that it's lost its (hey--I used it's and its correctly!!LOL) significance. Our frequent online foodfights and pissing contests are not a threat to our survival. But not rooting out the copyright criminals among us is. Don't take this personally. Just my 2 cents and some. Peter (Dr Zik)