Nomad - I agree with you that a 100% all-in-it-together forum would be ideal. Just never existed, and most likely never will. I've been a member for about as long as you have. I've done my bit of bickering, but the last time everyone buried the war axes, I buried mine for good. My advice would be to live and let live, and try to give credit where it's due. Don't take part in the "e-fights", just state your opinion if you have one, and leave them to fight it out. My 2 cents worth on the warez issue is that warez are a fact of life. You can build up an impressive toolbox just using the stuff given away on magazine CDs (I use my free copy of Amapi as much as my paid-for copy of TrueSpace), but some people just can't resist the challenge or temptation to get everything for nothing. Unfortunately that may drive the creators out of business, and I want to see Curious continue to develop Poser, I want to see DAZ make new models, I want to see more exciting stuff from Anton and the other greats. If that means putting up with (and if possible supporting) the occasional anti-warez campaign, I'll do it. I may have my own opinion of the way those campaigns are sometimes fought, but the essential issue is that some people (like Anton) put a lot of time and work into their stuff, and they can't pay their rent with praise, or warez ratings ;-)