nice one Acadia!!!!!!!!! i never thought of putting a runtime folder there before!!!! i only recently worked out that i could stick all me V3 stuff in a new folder and all me aiko stuff in another folder,in my runtime!! so i was tyding things up a bit!!! i had put my old poser5 runtime in there and called it "old stuff" but it never worked!! i always have to locate files!!! so i'll try your way with that folder!!!!!!!! thanks!!!!!!!!!!(insert happy smiley here!!)