I think a lot of us are familiar with Steven Stahlberg's work... he's done Two Virtual Actresses. A while back I spoke with Coop about incorporating nurbs into Poser, and he told me that for the time being, Mesh Forms are so integrated into Poser that it wouldn't be economically feasable to do, but time and the market would dictate what direction Poser took. Alias/Waveftont Products like MAYA and Power Animator are the TOP of the TOP END Folks. If you were at SIGGRAPH there would be no doubt about it. A Gentleman I spoke with at Digital Domain, a 3D Motion Picture Group, told me we're at the point of doing Virtual Actors now that looked real. With the Trickle Down Technology we have, we shouldn't have to wait too long before we see it coming our way. And Nemo... you should have done the Tutorials' that the Rhino Beta had posted ;-)))