Really great Varian. Continually shows their are few limits to how good it can get in Vue. I just saw a PBS show about Orchids, which are of course incredibly beautiful (and even somewhat erotic) flowers, and wondered why no one has ever done something like this with orchids... I recently got one of the Dosch CD's of natural plants, and as nice as they are, their is nothing about the way they are constructed that couldn't be duplicated in Vue. I seen astonishly realistic renders in Vue of C Wieds coconut palm trees, and its still almost hard to believe they are 3D when you see them. Ivy, Roses- anything should be possible as photo-realistic plants in Vue...