Dave, Yes I've always wondered about the download stuff too. I've put out items that have had like a 1000 downloads yet have never seen hide nor hair of it in any renders. I think people just mindlessly download. I don't know why but I do it myself when its something I think would be cool later. For example, I grabbed those lamps in freestuff. I'm not using them yet nor have I even unpacked the zip but I may use them later for variety in a render. I think only like 1% of us actually do anything substantial with Poser. The rest I think just play around with poser and make pretty pictures. BTW, any chance you can make a worm like in Galaxy of Terror? I know you have Slerm but some big bulbous thing with no claws and maybe some tendrils would be awesome. Your work is first rate.