mikej -- despite what you may think, i dont see anyone 'arguing' here... more of an interesting yet polite debate.

mickmca -- thats pretty deep :)
i disagree on the point that "trimness means healthiness and self-esteem (they don't in the real world)".
but the root of that disagreement is centred on exactly what you mean by 'trimness'. change that to 'being dangerously underweight' or something and i agree with much of what you said.

Quote - I need to point out for non-Americans that English dress sizes are about 2-4 sizes smaller than their American counterparts. Hence some references to dress sizes may sound confusing.

erm.. so whats a size 0 in britain? a size -3? :)