that's what I understood as well, elzoejam...I'll know soon enough how much I'll like them...

Acadia, I think the light set I'm using from the pack has wayyyy over 8 lights (I can't tell at the moment, it's rendering), and my preview scene isn't dark...but then, I have a high end graphics card, so what MS said is obviously right...

so far the test renders looks great...thanks so much everyone for your input...

Say what you mean and mean what you say.