Ditto, Mark. Ghu knows I'd rather be there than slinging groceries tomorrow. And oh yeah, translucency and SSS...proper skin shaders, here we come! Non global wind effects...that has potential (like say parent the 'fan' to a hovercraft, and have the foliage go crazy whenever it passes over...). The new atmosphere system is yumnmy already. So far as the Cows go, my only concern is that the puppies work on Win2k. I do -not- want to have to spring for XP liscences for the rendergarden. Hm. And whether or not you have to use 64 bit Cows with a 64 bit version of V6I (hey, I can dream....) As for nay sayers....a good hay ration should clear that right up... :P