See what I started (hehehehe) gotta lighten things up around here, sorry it was at duane's expense. I look forward to Ian's posting the character too. I can be patient. So Nosfiratu, do you have a breast pump to use for inspiration? I'm sure we could find sites on the web, or I'll give you a friend's email addy, he used to work for a breast pump company. I can give him a hard time about being unable to model its use :-) GrayMare