Quote - > Quote - Oh, Xen, Xen, I feel so chastened. I think I'll run over to WalMart and buy a laudatory biography of Dick Cheney, read it quickly, then tear up the pages and toss them into a pristine wilderness!

That's a unique idea for recycling paper.  Not to mention that it would provide superb nesting material for small animals.  Excellent enviromentally-friendly idea.

Quote - You are right, of course. People who think hooters the size of Australia are a feminine ideal are just guys with preferences. Holy Moses, who could think otherwise except a liberal traitor obsessed with political correctness???

Personally, I find that "hooters the size of Australia" look deformed.  There it is.  I'll go further and also grant you that gigantic "hooters" can be offered up to us as an entirely unhealthy obsession.  I certainly won't argue the point that women can be objectified.  But for that matter: so can men.  People of any type can be objectified.  And while admitting that various body types & the attraction to them are in the eye of the beholder -- it still remains that there is a generally accepted ideal.  This is the world & the reality that we live in.  Perfectly natural inclinations cannot be pointed to as a reason for condemnation.  Because if they are: then we are all equally condemned.  The problem here stems from an apparent desire to place everyone whose tastes follow the generally accepted ideal into a condemned category.

Personal taste is personal taste.

Attempts to force people to adhere to some other mode of thnking  will always fail in the end.  However: such attempts at enforced mental bondage contrary to free nature can and do sometimes succeed in making life into a living hell for many, many people.  Unless, of course, if one wishes to immigrate to North Korea.  While the topic that we are discussing here certainly doesn't rise anywhere near the level of North Korean regimentation -- it can be extended to show the same sort of principles in operation in a microcosm.

PC'ism is just another form of mental bondage.  And I'm a conservative with libertarian leanings.  So the smell of PC is offensive.

I think you make a great argument.....it is so great in fact that it perfectly finds grounding in what i have been saying all along, and that is no one should have the Vicki ideal forced down thier throats. creating a character that limits you to this ideal does just that.

Your argument attempts to turn the whole issure around as if Vicki as a mesh is under attack and  needs some type of defending. you further go on to say that there is a generally accepted ideal...which is again, the point I raise, accepted by whom?  I can tell you that when my friends and i go to clubs, one of the most fun things to do is bust on each other about how our idea of "sexy" often breaks down along racial lines.... example... White guys like long skinny legs,   Latino and Black guys tend to like thicker much more curvy type...asian guys like something else etc...etc...... now keep in mind im talking about amongst my friends, this is what ive seen. vicki as a "generally accepted ideal, follows very closely the fantasy of mainly my white hanging buddies...so If you mean the accepted ideal of white guys.... I might accept that.....Are you sure you dont work at Daz? lol!  nothing wrong with vicki or those who like what she is. there is something terribly wrong with this idea of a generally accepted ideal.   hopefully daz gets a clue in V4 and gives you your standard vicki, but at least provides usable morphs for the rest of us. maybe a start would be making her about 5'4". shes been very tall for all her versions thus far.