Quote - belalarue --

Don't misinterpret arrows which are aimed at someone else as being aimed at you.  I haven't seen any evidence of your being a PC-shill; nor have you made any detectable not-so-subtle hints at someone else being a closet racist.  Or at least I haven't interpreted what you've said in that way.  That's all come from elsewhere.  You've not impressed me as the type who tends to favor such methods of argument.  That is to say: the standard lib methodology of attacking your opponent's motives & engaging in name-calling, rather than dealing with the facts of the case.

But I will say that I wish that your reluctance to bring the subject up would have prevailed -- because the (at least) indirect implications of.......like maybe someone is a racist, or else motivated by racist underpinnings........are hovering around in the background.  And a 'discussion' which ends up heading in that direction can quickly go into the intellectual dumper.  When anyone refuses to grant their opponent the courtesy of allowing them the pure sincerity of their opinions without suggesting that they must have underlying evil (insert dramatic horror-movie music here) motivations for holding to those opinions..........then 'debating' is no longer what you are doing.

Using epitaphs like 'neocon' in an attempt to label your opponent -- and thus discredit their points by smearing their motives -- quickly leads into an intellectual black hole from which the "discussion" can usually never return.  After that: it can all become nothing more than a matter of hurling personal insults.  Speaking of 6th-grade boys on a playground..........

BTW - if my esteemed opponent wishes to use the "implied racism" card -- then I'll be happy to call the bet -- and to raise the ante on him.  In fact, I'll be happy to throw the entire deck in his face.  "Neocon".......yeah, right.  He's in good company, using a term like that one.  There are certain groups who just LOVE to use that silly codeword all of the time.

And it seems to be one of his favorite words.  I wonder why?

BTW - if they choose to make a base figure that looks like Tyra Banks, then I'll be more than happy to add the model to my runtime.  But that's the thing about meshes.  They can be meshed pretty much any way that you like.

GREAT!!!! maybe we can still get that beer one day after all lol! but i gotta tell you, interjecting "race" is different from implying "racism" and it was done before your first rsponse, so you willingly walked into it before my reluctance subsided. additionally, by wanting me to not bring it up, does that not border on wanting me to be pc?
while i do have strong feelings and thoughts on the socially relevent sides of this issue,  I just dont think this is the time or place for them.

.  I have no doubt that you'd rush to get a TYRA mesh... after all,shes tall and got skinny legs "all the way to heaven" hahaha! on the issue of making vicki into whatever you want.... lets just strongly agree to strongly disagree.

we really should get that beer, you're alot of fun to spar with, but i m not sure that other members are enjoying this.