Hi Scott, thanks for the reply. I rendered in p5 with P4 render engine. I hardly ever use firefly. It can't be reflections though, because even with different lighting, the same areas are always messed up, even if the light comes from the other direction. I never changed the lighting in those images either. When I load up Poser after work, I'll see if it happens again in p4 render engine, and try it in firefly and see if I get the same results though.