sorry all, I guess after forty years of archery (including Japanese and Mongol styles) I was doing it wrong with the arrow where it should be.... my mistake, but at such an ancient age mayhaps I can be excused for my lapses..... many apologies.... just going out to burn the bows I have and then move onto crossbow (I'm kidding, I'm kidding, although I do have a crossbow and a slurbow). put the arrow where thee wants it, this is art and open to interpretation.