wowza..  i downloaded p5 and im happy:) works fine for me too:D  better renders. and as for small probs, like  a few freezes when im rendering, i like it still!  hey, daz 3d has daz studio for free, which is almost as *complex ' as poser! and v3 , m3 free. which are expensive. (for a while anyways) so me am very happy that there are still fre things in this world:D