Cool great answer - I did'nt set up the runtimes it just did it - I downloaded a bunch of stuff- but it sure seems to be an awful lot to make 4 runtime folder huh? Any Idea why poser did that - do I have a setting off - bear in mind until I learned I unzipped everything to the C:program files /curious labs /poser 5 destination I'm guessing I have made a hell of a mess in there - is there an easy way to clean it out or maybe I should uninstall/re-install Poser and start again? Thanks for the advice BTW !very clear answer - I'm printing it so I can tape it up by my computer!