Oh I can entirely understand the frustration. They shouldn't have named it vue professional, because it really has never been suitable for professional work for people with deadlines, because of that instability. But can those other proggies make really beautiful trees with just a couple of clicks that you can even look at fairly closely? I have carrara and nice trees can be made but they're not included in the software when you buy it, it involves getting tree and leaf textures and applying them. A lot of work if you want to make lots of different trees. I don't want to have to do that. Vue is so quick and easy to use, and the new features in 6 look very very enticing. Anyway I don't even know why we're talking about this, because I am willing to bet you will buy vue 6 when it comes out. Love esther

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