sigh the behaviour of whatever-his-name-might-be in front of this community as well as twards karen is inacceptable and cannot be tolerated. amen. BUT: the reaction of some members of this community (that includes you, DarkStarBurning) is by no means better than his misbehaving (and is accordingly unworthy to be called civilized). lets take a look at the TOS... Members/Users will not use this community for; ... ... - Personal attacks. This includes but is not limited to, destructive, abusive, defamatory communications in any form, and retaliatory attacks from personal attacks. If you need assistance, please communicate with someone from our Renderosity Team. - Destructive commentary/communications made with the intent to disrupt or attack (Trolling). This applies to any communications within this community, whether in the forums, art galleries, graffiti wall, chat, or IM. ... dear members of the renderosity team! im awfully sorry to bother you with this, but i have to report that a number of members of this community (including DarkStarBurning) have obviously violated your TOS by posting comments which were insulting, discriminating and otherwise aggressive. since you are carefully monitoring the forums there is no need to add a namelist here (plus: im too lazy). i am sure you will act according to your TOS: Members/Users found practicing these behaviors receive; Deletion of the post/s. First event - warning by email and/or IM. Second event - Forum Suspension for 1 or 7 days or Temporary Community ban for 3 or 7 days. Third event - Membership revoked, and access to the community permanently blocked. This includes any duplicate accounts for the same person. Renderosity considers this information private and confidential. However, there may be certain situations that necessitate otherwise. arent all men equal? rgds Andi ps: i would like to repeat what i said on the first page of this thread... that karen has our sympathy is a fact and out of doubt. this does not mean that we are in any position to judge. we may frown upon rude behaviour, but its not for us to cut this guy down. my best wishes, karen, for you , for the kid, for your ex.