Quote - "I think the real objection here is to people who use Carrara to render purchased content."

I clearly stated that I didn't have any problem with using the content, just that you shouldn't take credit for someone else's work.

Using content in a render is not imo "taking credit for someone else's work." To me the modeling and rendering are separate processes and one should not assume one from the other. > Quote - "I just don't see the need to then go sneering at people who don't have modeling abilities, but still enjoy other aspects of creating 3d imagery."

Again, no objection to using content or sneering at those who do. Just give credit when it is due.

I didn't mean to imply that you personally were doing the sneering, and I apologize if it came across that way. I was having a general rant against those who do sneer (and I've come across plenty of them). > Quote - Several years ago this didn't happen here, people always stated where they came by objects that they didn't create themselves. The protocol was that if you didn't state that you got an object from somewhere else, then you created it yourself.

It seems odd to me to make such an assumption about a render (that you modeled what you render). There is obviously a thriving market of 3d objects to be used for commercial or private usage. Using these objects is not cheating or taking advantage of anyone. > Quote - "A modeler should receive either recognition or cash, I seen no reason for both"

I'm amazed at this comment. So you buy a vehicle from 3D02, render it and then let everyone think you modeled it. I hope you don't use these tactics when applying for job somewhere, it would be considered fraud.

Why should you think they modeled it unless they specifically say so? If they specifically make that claim when they haven't modeled it, then yes, that is fraud. But simply posting a render is NOT making that claim. If I buy an image from Getty Images, and use it in an advertisement, am I guilty of fraud because I didn't take the photograph that I used in my ad, or give credit to the photographer? Why should rendering require different standards? Buying and legally using an image or object is different than making the claim that you hold the copyright. Apart from that, I can understand how misunderstandings can occur with the current gallery set-up. Where do you post an image with poser content that was rendered in another app? They only want poser renders in the poser gallery, but where do you put a poser-heavy carrara render? Carrara purists don't really want to see it as they have their own 'protocol' and get grumpy with the influx of poser pretties. I really do understand the frustration, but content is a booming business and adjustments will have to be made. Adjusting galleries would be a start -- maybe separating modeling from general rendering would help unruffle some feathers.