as a codicil, to the above two questions, i work as a tech and often use my own personal machine (where I run my poser) as a hardware testing ground. In the last three months it has had 4 different harddives. In the last three weeks alone it has had 4 different video cards in it, the dvd and burner changed and two full fdisk and formats, and a new case and power supply. In fact the only thing that has stayed consistent over the last six months is the motherboard, processor and ram, and even the board has had the bios flashed twice. it seems to me I am going to be calling you guys every second week going "WAAAAAAAH my poser won;t work" LOL