Well, I tried the magnets you suggested GrayMare and they were ok, but I decided to give it a whirl one more time with my own. 4 magnets (2 per) and a good chunk of time later and I have a pretty generic magnet set that's working well (so far) on a couple of different pieces of clothing. There's still a little more tweaking to be done I'm sure, but they're not too bad considering how badly I stink with magnets (leaving the clothing a bit lumpy, but not atrociously so). At any rate, all of the stuff suggested so far is appreciated, and seeing others' magnets was a help in getting me to get off my rear end and try making my own. :) Nance, thanks for the suggestions, and well, I'll see how far I get with my magnets and then maybe I'll look those up. :) Thanks again folks.